Dune Network Community Partnership Proposal

Partnerships Accepted Proposals
#62

I think Ron’s point is in general terms. Much like myself, I am not against; but it is also a transaction of value, and as in any marketplace, it must be understood to the fullest extent possible. I believe the community’s comments have mostly been about the latter.

The contests that are run here are for 2 purposes, as far as I understand; to grow the value of the network by motivating developers to create beneficial/purposeful dapps, and to add value to the users of the network.

To do a proper valuation of what you’re proposing is not realistic at this time. I would encourage you to participate in the contests. There are some really interesting contests to come.

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#63

also to note…

  • Tiers 1 supporter of Dune Network : Xavier Niel, Tinder CEO, Zenly CEO, Voodoo CEO and many more, etc;

depending on the details, development of apps w/ these contacts would be very interesting.

is it too early for our community to go after these contacts?

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#64

the person that can really provide value to this proposal is Cyril Paglino.

"It would be remiss of us not to leave a small note of congratulation to Cyril Paglino, Dune Network CEO, who has also recently been appointed CEO with TON Labs. Dune, and Free Ton, both strive for similar values and, with no direct competition between the two, Cyril had this to say very recently:

“Still very linked and involved with Dune and all the Origin Lab. We’re friends before being partners, and we still wanna pursue this adventure together, for a long time. I’ve just took my position at Ton Labs few days ago. I’m currently thinking and working on ways for Dune and Free Ton to collaborate in the future. Will keep updated soon.”

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#65

Hello Rururu !
Thanks for the comment.
Mistake in the post : Dune never had CEO. Post is being corrected rn.
I’ve helped the creation of the project, working closely with the Olab, one of the best team i’ve known in the space. We were a group of people who initiated Dune, and i was one of them. I was GP of Starchain Capital. i’ve gather several key investors for the seed round and we put this round together. I’ve always try to help Dune on my spare time, with business introduction, partners, strategy. I’m also vice president of the Dune Fondation, alongside Fabrice (CEO of Olab) which is the president.
Hope it answers your thought ++

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#66

Thanks very much Cyril, I appreciate you taking the time to answer my comment, and clarifying your involvement.

These types of proposals that are presented in the community may be difficult to value (such as the case here). From the very little time I spent within the community, I can already see the hard work the A&S SG is doing to help answer a lot of these questions, but the amount of consideration that’s needed to evaluate each such proposals is currently unavailable (imo), nor will it be realistic to evaluate each proposal to the same extent each time; the amount of due diligence that’s necessary is considerable.

Again, thanks for replying.

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#67

I got the same impression
They themselves could not achieve success in their project, what kind of project merger and benefits can we talk about

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#68

Hi everyone,
Some thoughts about this and why it make sense imo
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#69

Cyril, why don’t we approach the problem from a different angle? Maybe, before merging, we should try to collaborate on a specific topic and solve some routine task important for FreeTON together in a contest-like form. Let’s see Dune people in our contests! Then we will see who is who.

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#70

Yeah. If you read the proposal, all the additional developments to fit the tech to freeton would be run as a separate contest.

#71

Dear Ton Community.

I am one of the bigger bakers from Dune-network.
I’ve invested a lot of time and money in helping Dune-Network.
Giving people technical support whenever and in any language you can think of.
I also used to run DuneFolding, A project where computing power that people didn’t need got donated to science, helping to solve various diseases. Although I praised them for helping to launch it, this merger has destroyed it and all efforts with it.

I voted against this merger.
As a semi direct result i’ve been muted in the main chat.

Why don’t I support the merger?

Ton’s token economics are broken, all new “proposals” are paid for by new coins, diluting the supply drastically. This wouldn’t be a big issue, if the due diligence from the community was done correctly. There have been cases in the past for freeton where the proposals funds, got market dumped instantly. I don’t like Freeton, not its tech not its goals and methods

I have a few other reason not to want to migrate to Freeton.

Since this whole debate about a merger started, the dune foundation showed their true colors.
The team you are about to enlist in your community, is a team that has a track record of abandoning projects and community’s. The only thing they probably want, together with their initial seed funders is dump their DUNE (FREETON after merger) on you all.

They weren’t able to do it on dune since there was 0 liquidity and about no-one to dump on.
I regret that I wasn’t aware of their true intentions before.

Choose wise, and do some background searches about the different people involved in the Dune Foundation.

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#72

Did I understand correctly that even not realized merge yet already caused irreparable damage to the Dune network?

#73

I assumed you may say something here too. You were muted for breaking the first rule of the group: not being polite. You gave your opinion many times, and when others disagreed, you insulted them. I have muted people for far less.

But I will agree, please do your research everyone. We’re an open book.

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#74

Irreparable is maybe not the right word, like any big choice it has divided opinion. As you can see above, there are a handful of people with concerns, which is why we’re trying to reach a consensus via vote right now.

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#75

Id say yes. For dune this merge has turned into a hostage situation.

The team will leave dune, we can come or we dont.
This proposal doesnt change their intention to come to freeton. They will come even if you deny the merger

#76

I realize, that is just a single opinion and not really representative… But, are you a lone fighter or are there more same-minded people in Dune?

#77

Voting on Dune side is going well

https://dune.network/vote-dapp/index.html?contract=KT1LUCdd7KUXcKKBMDt2GLJ1eaCjgH8oJzdm

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#78

There are more voices against. I made it clear from the start of this proposal that I was against the merger, only a few of my delegates left. I even temporarily stopped payouts to get peoples attention.
My baker represents 3% of the total vote weight. Across 70+ delegators. I have been operating my baker from the start. I do not plan to move my operation over to FreeTON, nor will I move the folding initiative over.

You can find my baker on Dunscan searching for this address. dn3N3iH6bgDDje5SMikTWu1AeHRVXExynNqX

Sadly over 35% of tokens is in control of the team or the ones that funded them. This makes the votes hang a lot towards them. So to get a majority, they practically don’t even need “the community”. It’s more for appearances.

Many people who don’t agree with this proposal already sold their dune, you can see the volumes on the various exchanges. Bakers were unable to sell their Dune before price dumped, since their funds are all locked in deposits. And they still are.

The majority of people that is still around will likely try to get some of their investments recovered and vote in favor of the merger. I could also do this, get whatever I can get out of it, and move on. But I’d rather have Starchain/the team and all other venture/capital investors lose their money and take my own losses for granted. Promises were not kept, like a “dune council”.

Dune FORKED from Tezos, they gave themselves this much Dune at the start of Dune and got 14%+ P.A. interest on it. Not even 2 years ago they set out on and were firm in their commitment. The merger means a failure, why should they even get any tokens and freeton should ask, do we even want to pay for a team that will move on in another ~2 years. (looking at their track record)

They are outdone by another Tezos fork called TZLibre, which is run by 1 developer! He got the balls to continue on, that’s the kind of developer you want tbo.

If a community merger were to happen, atleast try and prevent the merger of the tokens from the team and the initial seed/venture investors.

If this proposal is rejected, do you see any way for dune to continue?
Unless the community finds new developers which can be very hard.
This is what I meant with a hostage situation.

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#79

The DF have voted to pass to allow fairer community choice. It is also not just “team” but Dune Foundation, Origin Labs, star chain capital and other founding investors and members

A few people panicked before more information was released on what the merger entailed and sold, but that doesn’t really affect anything today.

Bakers have management tools. If they wanted to sell they could set maxrolls and sell the dune. I don’t see anyone doing that.

Ignoring the % of votes, if you look at the Number of bakers against or for, 95% are for the merge. Yes there are a few who aren’t but hardly more than a few.

Yes dune forked, just like many blockchains. The team have been competent devs on tezos and they know the code base well. Nothing is wrong with that.

And they didn’t give themselves 14% per annum. This is baking. Everyone who validated gets this 14% per annum.

The merge does not mean a failure. It means they found an opportunity to expand and are taking the necessary steps to make it happen. I think most people see the benefit of this move, especially those on freeton.

One of the major points of this merge is bringing in the major investors, the development team, and the ones who are experts at formal verification.

All has an opportunity to vote on this. I see that you have already voted no, everyone else may also vote. It is up to the communities as a whole to make up the decision for the merge.

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#80

“Failed” Dune community looks more decentralized as we are. I wonder what the vote will look like on our side. Even a little embarrassing.

Dune comrades, who can take part in your voting? Anyone with tokens or just validators?

#81

It’s validators (public bakers and solo bakers)
Personnally, I asked my higher delegator (more than 50% of total rolls) before voting

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