Contest Proposal: DeSupport 2021 Part I

I want to participate in competitions, but I want to participate in them honestly! No deception and no aggression!
Therefore, I ask that everything be transparent and honest. It can not be any other way

Why do you need it?

Why did you write this to the judges and why are you keeping this table?

Nowhere. Never. Not going to happen. The jury is protected from exactly what is now happening - jury tampering. Juror personal information is not up for discussion to be made public. This is the fundamental promise of Free TON. All you need is the keys. Any attempts to discover the identities of jurors will be met with a proposal to remove you from the contest.

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And why all SG juries are not protected? This information is public :unamused:

No, you are wrong.

No person can and does not have the right to invade personal space, disclose personal data and influence.

You can start with the European Convention on Human Rights

Indeed, in the phrase: we will follow you (for public monitoring) - there is already pressure.

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Because many participants in this competition found that one of the judges gave them an unreasonable assessment. In addition, some of the comments on the ratings were offensive.

When I tried to find out who is who, I was accused of unthinkable violations. Although I will repeat that in Free TON there was no ban earlier in order to find out which judge gave you a grade (no, this is NOT a disclosure of identity, these are only usernames).

Moreover, such data is publicly posted in this spreadsheet Governance_Juries - Google Sheets

It’s a mystery to me why it is impossible to disclose it now, if it was always available before. But… I can only assume that people recognized the judge who insulted them. Oops…

Again. Where did you see the request to disclose personal information? I answered the guy above, please read it.

Because many participants in this competition found that one of the judges gave them an unreasonable assessment. In addition, some of the comments on the ratings were offensive.

When I tried to find out who is who, I was accused of unthinkable violations. Although I will repeat that in Free TON there was no ban earlier in order to find out which judge gave you a grade (no, this is NOT a disclosure of identity, these are only usernames).

Moreover, such data is publicly posted in this spreadsheet Governance_Juries - Google Sheets

You are starting to de-anonymize the judge! You know how the Internet works, how OSINT - search works. Any person can be found. But the one who does it does not do it for the good! Otherwise, provide counter-arguments :man_shrugging:

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Sure. For example, we on Wiki always vote carefully and thoughtfully, because we know that anyone can compare a judge’s address with his nickname in telegrams and on the forum. And this data is open, we do not hide it (and we never did).

Therefore, we feel personally responsible when we vote for our contests and do not allow ourselves to offend contestants in the comments when voting (as it happened now).

This public spreadsheet is created and maintained by the Main Gov.

I have not asked the judges to disclose any more data like here. Finally open this spreadsheet! Do you see telegram nicks there? See? Okay.

And what did I ask the judges? The same, no more.

In any case, no matter how the judge treats the participants, insults are unacceptable.

your impudence is one big insult

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That’s right, but then I understand that it’s not the judge? And in disclosure?

At first I didn’t know what kind of content should be uploaded, but in fact I did a lot,
I will fill him here now, hoping to get a higher score.

Not just these

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Vb4y1d7Sg?from=search&seid=13684083866991933208
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1b64y197Ju?from=search&seid=13684083866991933208
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1VM4y1g7eK?from=search&seid=13684083866991933208
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1vK4y1R75i?from=search&seid=13684083866991933208
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1EU4y1b7WM?p=3

1. Free TON Supporters contest is belonging to A&S Subgovernance and must have been organized in the same.

2. Contest Conditions & Rules

Every Jury Member isn’t reading the conditions of the contest carefully because this contest is also for the contribution made in the last 1 year for some previously nominated participants.

3. Jury Members Feedback Assessment
Feedback provided by a jury member must be relevant to the subject.

  • Jury Feedback On Submission-20
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    All of the above given feedback from the jury are out of the contest subject, although a Jury Member “abstained” only due to “Jury Panel Debate”.

4. Anonymity
All Free TON Support Channels are on telegram and during a Jury Selection Contest all participants are required to provide their Telegram Username to become a Jury Member, so sharing a jury member telegram username isn’t a problem.

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Fear and Loathing in Free TON :sunglasses:

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I consider it inappropriate to organize such a conrest and breed enmity within the community! ! This is very similar to a provocation. If this comes from the organizers and judges, then it is worth raising this issue.


Считаю неуместным устраивать такой контест и разжигать неприязнь внутри комьюнити! Это очень похоже на провокацию. Если это исходит от организаторов и судей, то стоит поднять этот вопрос.

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Publication of information about the jury is not a way to solve the problem, moreover, it destroys the foundations and allows the possibility of manipulating the jury in the worst case. It is ideal when the jury can vote calmly and anonymously once it has been elected, without fear of threats and showdowns.

You can always write a message on the forum and ALL the jury will see it, you can contact the forum by specifying the public key, and again you can write in the surf at the address if you want to clarify the information, but without destroying the ANONYMITY and calmness of refereeing!

This destroys the foundations of what is being created, and will come down to the fact that being a jury will not only be honorable, but also dangerous …

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As far as I understand, @bitjudge decided to disclose the nicknames of the judges due to the fact that some aggression emanated from them. I think this is wrong and the example of this contest shows the community that the organizer and judge should be moderate in their statements and neutral in relation to personal relationships.


Насколько я понял, @bitjudge решил обнародовать никнеймы судей из-за того, что от них исходила некоторая агрессия. Я думаю это неправильно и пример этого конкурса показывает сообществу, что организатор и судья должен быть умеренным в своих высказываниях и нейтрален в отношении личностных взаимоотношений.

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I have already written several times above that the telegram name, address and public key of each judge is public information in all Subovernances.

In any contests in any Subovernances, any participant can compare simple data and find out which of the judges gave him/her a mark.

This simple transparency creates accountability for judges and does not allow them to go unpunished.

But in this contest, for some reason, these data (the name of the telegrams and the address of each judge) were hidden. And what did we see as a result? Some of the judges felt protected and began to insult the contestants in the comments when voting. Do you think this is permissible? Did you want this kind of result from imaginary privacy?

  1. Is there a contest, can anyone take part in it or not? This is his/her right.
  2. The jury is initially assembled from competent people, the jury is essentially elected by those or those who organize the contest
  3. The jury should be able to just freely and objectively write what they think on the application
  4. Participants can write everything on the forum or by sending a message in the Surf.
  5. And now the most important thing is that the participants cannot and should not decide whose comment is bad or whose comment is good. But participants can comment on this if they want ON THE FORUM.
  6. Further, if someone’s refereeing was biased, they(JUDGES) can discuss this within the judging group and IF this is really so, then we will decide to cancel the votes of their colleague judge.

SO AND ONLY SO

Therefore, the question is - why are these usernames? who needs them?
The participant participating in the contest agrees in advance to both the judging and the final decision. Whatever it is.
If they don’t like it, then in fact then they don’t participate.

Further

In any contests in any Subovernances, any participant can compare simple data and find out which of the judges gave him/her a mark.

Yes, this is how it is organized in other SG, but if in this contest there was an opportunity to make it anonymous, then it should remain so! Moreover, it is much better as it reduces the possibility of manipulation. Roughly speaking, if something is done like this, this does not mean that it should not be done somehow differently.

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