Initially sounds absurd. But after reading the branch, I realized that this is the only way to distribute coins between living people without KYC
There should be a way to check registration date of accounts and don’t allow to use new accounts that were registered this month or empty profiles. I think it will be too expensive for abuser to create one telegram account and 4 social network accounts just to get one payment.
In my opinion, the plan should be clear from the airdrop: we are here because we are against the capitalists of surveillance. The best method is thanks to a telegram bot, so we will start from a friendly user base. It will be necessary to enter the two channels indicated and compulsorily read an article on how waatsapp, instagram and facebook do with our data (even watching a video maybe).
We make it clear that we are serious, privacy is necessary for an open society in the electronic age. Privacy is not secrecy. A private matter is something one doesn’t want the whole world to know, but a secret matter is something one doesn’t want anybody to know. Privacy is the power to selectively reveal oneself to the world.
I like the faucet solution as it takes a bit of work and only those people who really want tokens will take the time to use the faucet. The faucet can limit the amount sent to any wallet …
The situation is interesting. But nevertheless, on cex.io, you can log in the system via telegram and the request went to telegram passport. In the messenger itself, the telegram passport is functioning, on the official website the telegram passport service is present in the description https://core.telegram.org/api/passport
Я не специалист в нейронных сетях, но по-моему такой проект реализовать совсем непросто на данный момент, совместить машинное зрение, слух и другие нюансы. Но как концепция очень интересная, за подобными технологиями будущее.
I’m so apologize for my broken type of English
ENG:
Already a lot of things have been said earlier, and this idea does not claim to be the top, but as an option, I think it is worth considering the following scenario:
While on the platform there are no services for ordinary users who cannot spend them and cannot see any value in them. It doesn’t matter what the mechanics of getting airdrop will be. All the same, the motivation for them will be dropping to zero. In this regard, I propose at the initial stages to distribute tokens to an audience close to the subject of blockchain and decentralization.
The problem with bots and fake accounts at this stage can be circumvented by distributing tokens not to the applicant, but let’s say according to the already known public. As one of the options:
- With the help of partners (for tokens), to collect the most complete database of telegrams accounts of people who are somehow related to blockchain, decentralization, IT technologies, or at least are participants in groups / channels of these topics.
- List all the collected accounts in one single list. And only those who will be on this list will be eligible for the first round of airdrop.
- Notify the entire database by personal message that they are entitled to receive FreeTON tokens. And also do it through all the large channels tg.
- Using a bot / application / site, give a simple mechanics for receiving if your telegram account is “in the list”
I think that for a start this will be enough! And then think about a more advanced mechanics of conducting aridrops.
Pros:
- bots and multi-accounting are almost completely leveled
- KYC and personal data issues completely removed
- Tokens will get the people who are really interested in them.
- Most of the blockchain community learns about the project and this will be an opportunity to get good staff and support in the project.
- conducting such an airdrop is very simple; you don’t need a lot of effort and technical troubles.
Minuses:
- Some of those who wish may not be on the “lists” and not receive tokens. But they will continue to be motivated to follow closely the project.
-This is only a one-time decision, in the future you need to build a better approach in any case.
-Need to work closely with the owners of tg channels.
Perhaps not everyone will agree to publish and disclose lists of their subscribers. Therefore, it is necessary to motivate them with a premium in crystals and conduct explanatory work that otherwise their subscribers will be deprived of the opportunity to participate in the airdrop, which may incur reputational costs for them.
RUS:
Уже много чего было озвучено ранее, и данная идея не претендуют на топ, но как вариант думаю стоит рассмотреть такой сценарий:
Пока на платформе не существует сервисов для обычных юзеров, которые не смогут их потратить и не смогут увидеть в них никакой ценности. То не имеет значения, какова будет механика получения аирдропа. Все равно мотивация для них будет стремится к нулю. В связи с этим предлагаю на первоначальных этапах раздать токены аудитории близкой к тематике блокчейна и децентрализации.
Проблему с ботами и фейк аккаунтами на данном этапе можно обойти за счет раздачи токенов не на заявителя, а скажем так по уже известной публике. Как один из вариантов:
- С помощью партнеров (за тоны) собрать максимально полную базу телеграмм аккаунтов людей, которые так или иначе имеют отношение к блокчейну, децентрализации, IT технологиям, ну или как минимум являются участниками групп/каналов данных тематик.
- Внести все собранные аккаунты в один единый список. И только те кто будут в этом списке будут иметь право на первый раунд аирдропа.
- Оповестить личным сообщением всю базу, что они имеют право на получение токенов FreeTON. А так же сделать это через все крупные тг каналы.
- При помощи бота/приложения/сайта дать простую механику получения, если твой телеграмм аккаунт «есть в списке»
Считаю, что для начала этого будет предостаточно! А дальше уже думать о более продвинутой механики проведения аридропов.
Плюсы:
- боты и мультиаккаунтинг практически полностью нивелированы
- вопросы KYC и персональных данных полностью сняты
- токены получит та аудитория, которой они действительно интересны.
- о проекте узнает большая часть блокчейн сообщества и это станет возможностью получить в проект хороших кадров и поддержку.
- провести такой аирдроп очень просто, не нужно много усилий и технических заморочек.
Минусы:
-некоторые из желающих могут не попасть в «списки» и не получить токены. Но будут мотивированы впредь следить внимательней за проектом.
-это лишь разовое решение, в дальнейшем нужно в любом случае выстраивать более качественный подход.
-необходима плотная работа с владельцами тг каналов.
Возможно не все согласятся делать публикацию и раскрывать списки своих подписчиков. Поэтому необходимо мотивировать их премией в кристаллах и проводить разъяснительную работу, что иначе их подписчики будут лишены возможности поучаствовать в аирдропе, что может нести репутационные издержки для них.
Everyone, I just want to say how absolutely appreciative I and everyone else is for your contribution to this discussion. I have read some really clever and well thought out comments and A LOT (!) of awesome suggestions. This means we are well on our way to making this thing work even better than originally planned.
Make no mistake, we read everything! Please understand however, that replying to each comment is unrealistic. I’m sure everybody gets that.
By the way, this contest seems to be the most popular one in discussions, so I will take a moment and simply gloat )))) Ha ha.
@XLR25t
Because it is so far the only contest in which can participate not only programmers and developers.
Telegram Login is still active but I believe Passport has been canned because Telegram thought it was vulnerable to brute force attack and the did not want the possible liability if it was breached. I have sent an email to Sum and Substance to find out definitively if it is still available.
Good. Waiting for an answer. I also sent a question to the support service.
РУС
Три фонда:
1)Раздача всем желающим
2)Раздача китам с аудиторией
3)Мотивация магазинов
ENG
Three funds:
- Distribution to any interested person
- Distribution to whales with an audience
- Motivation for shops
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bjMRas5XTaX8YBEx1qXn-dY9cxLGrNWOg308kSqJjtY/edit?usp=sharing
My opinion that FreeTon team should gave us more information about the privacy levl witch they are ready to interact with. Making fair Airdrop relevant.
For example - are they considering to collect people KYC ? or they fundamentally against it ?
In my opinion, a successful airdrop or any token distribution should have the following key features in addition to the basic points known for successful airdrop:
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Promotion, through the airdrop can make more people interested in the project and not only limited to those who originally planned to participate.
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Price discovery, for example, BTC is linked to a relatively stable electricity price through mining or ICO projects destroy unsold tokens to link the market value of coin prices.
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Trading volume and liquidity, one of the reasons for preventing cheating accounts is to avoid letting a small number of people get too many tokens resulting in a decline in trading volume.
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Avoid short-term speculation.
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Low participation difficulty, to make almost anyone can participate.
Based on these points, I suggest a new way of airdrop that uses network resources to earn tokens. To build an app or even DApp, let the participant’s device to become VPN nodes. Publicly provide this huge amount of free VPN resources and reward nodes with Cystal. After the airdrop, it may even possible to be upgraded to a decentralized VPN service trading platform.
The advantages:
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The global VPN service market is huge, and in recent years many people are worried about the privacy risks of commercial VPN services. If there is such a completely anonymous and many nodes, decentralized and free VPN, it will help the promotion of the project.
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Although the price of network traffic is different between regions, it still has its existing price. Airdrop in this way can maintain sort of connections between the token price and the network traffic price.
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If it can run as a trading platform after the airdrop, the first actual use of tokens is created, and the trading volume is created accordingly. In the IDC industry, many service providers have supported the purchase of services such as VPS with digital currency, which is one of the main uses at present.
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The tokens earned per unit of network traffic can be properly controlled, then the airdrop phase can last for at least months. During this period, participants continued to receive tokens, and the promotion continued effectively, only to make speculators lose interest.
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People who can see the information about the airdrop basically have Internet access, so everyone can participate in the airdrop.
To use network resources to earn tokens, there are other options like cloud drive, hosting service or even coin mining. However, this form of cloud drive and hosting service is difficult to maintain stability, and the performance required by coin mining may even be higher than our validators, which will lead to a decline in participation.
Airdrop proposal:
The overarching criteria ought to be network security, which would be best achieved by a wide, anonymous and equal distribution to as many engaged real individuals as possible. This can be achieved by participants performing a publicly auditable turing test on each other by time-constrained interaction with a smart contract.
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Individuals prepare for the scheduled ceremony by creating a unique ‘incomplete’ ASCII image. The idea is that there exists some modification of characters which will seem sensible to another human, but that it would be reasonably difficult to create a program to infer a sensible modification. The point isn’t that there is a single, logical solution, but that human observers will be able to judge whether a modification is human-like.
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Participants schedule to send their challenge-ASCIIs at a publicized block height to a special contract. The contract responds to each challenge-ASCII with a randomly selected challenge-ASCII from some other participant from the same block.
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Participants create and send a response-ASCII that demonstrates their humanity. This response-ASCII must be received by the network within a specified number of blocks. This number should be small enough to make it difficult for one human consciousness to create multiple responses, but large enough for most humans to create a single response.
- Since we can’t count on every challenge or response-ASCII being a good test, the process is repeated for as many rounds as would be sufficient to make an accurate judgement of the humanity of each account. Those participants not judged to demonstrate good faith human participation by some kind of public audit will be ineligible for the airdrop.
Discussion:
Besides being a means to achieving fair, anonymous distribution to engaged individuals, the primary benefit to the on-chain approach is that it familiarises participants with the technology, and in doing so showcases the capabilities and ethos of FreeTON itself. There’s no “KYC”, or trust in other software, or data custodians. Just the awesome potential of fast, transparent, programmable immutability.
Neither does this method promote tacky referrals, or incentivize brand-destroying shilling. The coins are most likely to end up in the hands of people who actually value them.
As for incentivizing the signing of the DoD and joining Telegram channels: my view is that doing these things is creeping centralization and need not be essential with this distribution technique, however, they could be made essential and may provide advantages in implementation. For instance, information could be emailed to DoD signers that is necessary to interact with the airdrop ceremony contract, which may make the ceremony harder to interfere with. Perhaps posting something in the Telegram channels could be part of an authentication process.
I make no claim that this specific process is optimal, it is primarily intended to illustrate the possibility of, and advantages to, fair distribution through human interface with FreeTON.
If the goal is to effectively promote TON to the masses, and not just make money on hype and a short speculative jump, then at least it is worth paying attention to the history and results of Stellar airdrops, which, in an attempt to correct Ripple mistakes, made a number of its own mistakes. The final result of attempts by multi-billion Stellar airdrops can be found in the statistics of their network (https://stellar.expert/):
Total accounts: 4,474,472
Daily active accounts: 14,778
(at 22.05.2020)
CoinMetrics analysts came to the conclusion that various airdrops conducted with Stellar Lumens either do not particularly attract users or lead to the mass sale of cryptocurrencies after the distribution of XLM. Experts note that airdrops do not work as a means of increasing the “decentralization, popularity and use” of an asset.
Based on the practice and mistakes of other projects, as well as on the basis of our own experience in attracting a multimillion audience to our project, without any advertising and marketing costs, and the presence of negative experience (over 100 million attracted unique users and losing about 70% of them), please, read and carefully analyze our proposal for Airdrop Mechanics for FreeTON:
English version:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HQp_LD5VJsowULee4TuMuDXtKd-A03ffoi0BX2gBWyg/edit?usp=sharing
Russian version:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Av77BBlLvO_l2FjV4xw9ybU8XkR-r0d7KHEe5Mj4_4Y/edit?usp=sharing
Can you give any examples of applications with the RLDP-HTTP Proxy that are available for people to install?
Read that already. Do you have any examples of these applications or is it just vaporware at this point?
Here is a link for my proposal and thoughts about airdrop - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o4H2l1Ot3w9AqBud4SL_0aaIt1WM72RlLX9dTsGG39U/edit?usp=sharing
Если нужен русский перевод, кто-то что-то не понимает, отпишите, поправлю.